1. I’m confused because I thought a lot of people here incl. the OP were critical of making analogies of racial between sexual oppression – yet you and many others are doing so.
2. Those of an oppressed group harbouring fear/prejudice towards a privileged group is NOT the same as the reverse.

Why are there so many #notallmen arguments in this thread? Ffs

In defense of Ms. Jeffreys, as a ‘ciswoman’, I am disgusted by the translobby’s attempts to make the rest of believe that penises can be female, and vaginas male. Talk about suspending beliefs. And I am also tired of reading the b.s. about ‘brainsex’. If you have issues about gender identity, you should be discussing those feelings with parents-not running to the nearest doctor demanding hormone blockers. Who ever started this crap about your ‘insides’ matching your physical self ….

Hi Belle,
I think woman-face, generally (not SJ use if it) relates to drag shows, not usually performed by transwomen but by self-identified men, parodying us in a very misogynist way. This is no less insulting to transwomen than to the female born. It’s making our very existence a thing to be laughed at and debased.

I do not blanketly accept the idea that you are a woman (or man) if you say you are, but I have always been broadly accepting of transpeople because I see no reason not to be! I have known many transwomen and I have never encountered the attitude that it is some sort of game or fetish for them. I am with Dworkin on this – in an ideal society we would not NEED to surgically alter our bodies as our gender would not be the determining factor in our lives, and an overriding aspect of our identity, but we do NOT live in an ideal society!

She and Tony Abbott should both be in Bloomfield, Orange NSW!

You are a sad person get help

sorry but what you have wrote is b*t 1. transwomen are not male. they have in the past been forced to grow up as males. The rest is just old repeated garbage. autogynephilia was created by a hack doctor who has been discredited. you really have no clue about trans women. please get help

Let me guess — Brazen Lee is a white male. Whenever you start getting all the “mainstream white feminism” BS, 99% of the time the complainer is white, and most of the time male. There are radical women of all races. Stop erasing radical women of color with this BS.

You know, you are as ignorant and as big a ranting tw*at as Jeffreys.

I’m sorry? I’m confused here, but I seem to recall the same stupidity emitted from people who tried to impede various benefits emerging from the Civil Rights Movement 50 years ago.

‘Militant extremist trans’? … I seem to recall Sheila Jeffrey’s clique in London, assaulting staff and clubbers with crowbars at the Lesbian SM club ‘Chain Reaction’. Naturally Sheila totally didn’t have any hand in the ski-mask toting thuggery and brute violence.

Only that those in her ‘Feminist’ circle did …. huh. But like any person with a brain I will not then say that Sheila Jeffreys is DEFINITELY GUILTY, despite being at the right time, in the right place, having the right motives and that some of her picket circle were outed beating the shit out of a worker in the process.

Funnily enough from the platform that sexual Sado-masochism “persists attitudes of violence against women”. evidently breaking the arm of a woman in said Lasbian S&M is inherently peaceful.

“Stop willingly hurting yourselves or I’ll hurt you unwillingly” … clever.

To date I don’t recall any event where ‘militant extremist trans’ raiding the University of Melbourne and breaking down the preposterously expensive (jointly taxpayer and student fee funded by the way) Germaine Greer archives.

You know the ones slurring trans* folk of all ‘equines’, striped or no striped? Yeah, apprently that required University and government funds because .. as you well know. Free Speech should (ac)cost EVERYONE, whether they want it or not.

But you know what? That’s okay … you keep playing that there is some trans* illuminati plottin against your MAJESTIC AND GLORIOUS RIGHTEOUSNESS. After all, how can they not see it? The gigantic scientific pitfalls and the lack of any philosophical credibility isn’t because TERF literature is bad or written by false academics only interested in circle jerking..,

…it’s because scienctific method and philosophical discourse that the rest of society uses is bad. See, all those trans* subhumans and their dastardly trans* conspirators.

The scientific evidence, and the philosophical truths that confront the GLORIOUS and RIGHTEOUS 2nd Wave TERF Bibles!? How DARE they oppose you with their SCIENCE and their PEACEFUL ACTIVISM. How DARE they use their TERRORIST glitterbombing protests of 2nd Wave personalities. They should COWER before the might of our singularly correct logic.

Those dastardly trans* folk … now we can’t even hold TERF groups in various private venues. It’s not that the organisers are disgusted by the hate-spiel, it’s because the trans* illuminati use their terrorism to scare people away from the truth!

“Why would someone choose this?” I understand from my research that there is a strong thread of sexual masochism in male transwomen as a group. This is well documented and unfortunate, but not the fault of feminists like Jeffreys. Reporting on the facts is not the same thing as creating the situation. Why would a 30-something man quit a well-paying job in IT, put on female drag and go out onto the streets looking for work as a prostitute? Because he has a strong paraphilia (sexual fixation) which drives him to seek validation as a “sexy lady” from strangers. Sometimes it gets him beaten and there is always the risk of death. I think the attraction is partly masochistic, partly thrill-seeking and partly the obsession with getting validated “as a woman”.

It’s not all that hard to figure out: 80% of male transwomen will come right out and tell various researchers that they are sexually gratified by cross-dressing, wearing women’s lingerie turns them on sexually, they use fantasies of themselves “as beautiful women” to get off, etc. You see them posting “vamp” pictures of themselves as “sexy ladies” all over the internet for a reason. The vast majority of trans* people are heterosexual males with a condition called autogynephilia and their primary romantic/sexual attraction is to THEMSELVES as “women”. It’s a paraphilia, like people who are turned on by feet or by wearing latex. This is why so many end up in dangerous sex work situations. They get off on being sexual “as a woman” and feel validated if they can get someone else to have sex with them “as a woman”.

Way to miss the point. A man putting on lady-face is POLITICALLY identical to a white putting on black-face. It’s a member of the oppressor class appropriating the identity of a member of the oppressed class. It’s not all that hard to see the parallel.

Gee, dude, cut-n-paste much? I’ve seen this exact same screed posted all over the Internet.

If you believe that male transwomen are women then you are not a feminist. I don’t know what you are, but you’re not a feminist.

Getting cornered and abused in the men’s room cause I’m a girl that needs to pee, but because I try to respect the bigots on both sides of the fence I didn’t use the women’s room is nothing to shrug at. Not like I asked for it, I had tshirt jeans and converse shoes, the only remotely girly aspect was my face and earrings.

Sure, I work maintenance, wear tshirt and jeans so that makes me a man, oh and I hardy call pink my color of choice. You seem think gender is something external when its not. You are refering to crosddressers maybe, but trans people are themselves, in the nude, far from any stereotypes you might invent.